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Old 01-03-2006, 05:49 AM
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Just stumbled upon this...


Cold Fusion MX7


I am downloading the trial now.

I'm not looking for an easy way out. This package seems to have on the surface what I am looking for in a nutshell along with the graphically pleasing forms and sms options too boot! How about when the user completes the form/application for assistance I get a text message?

Take a look and let me know what you guys think.

Sal

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Old 01-03-2006, 07:52 PM
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Thanks again for the insight! Take a look at this website...
The side orders implemented using javascript. They could do it totally server-side, but customers might get irritated with the constant posting of the page

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I'm thinking about creating an application that I will distribute...
Do what you think will fit the requirements, just be aware of the benefits/drawbacks to the options available. Very generally speaking:

Web App:
- Single deployment
- No real need to worry about the server being unavailable; if the database server's down your web app probably won't be useable.
- Need public IP to access the web app (via web hosting or some other means)
- Limited user interface compared to WinForms

Client/Server App:
- Multiple deployments (good candidate for "Smart Client" ClickOnce deployment if using VS 2005)
- If you feel like it, you can add functionality to let users enter data while the server is down and then synchronize. This can be relatively easy or difficult and frustrating; it largely depends on what you users are able to do while "offline" and how you want to synchronize data.
- Still need a public IP for the server components, whether you make a direct connection to a remote database or use some API (web service, remoting, etc.).
- Rich user interface

As far as ColdFusion, I've never really dealt with it so I can't offer an opinion
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:14 PM
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Please take a look at this:

http://www.asfusion.com/apps/realestate/

This is a website created using ColdFusion. I am really interested in the concise efficient use of space with this database application.

Is is possible to have a form look like this using ADO.net? I mean the forms and fields really look good and have exceptional functionality.

I am very close to making a decision. It is looking like ColdFusion may win. It has a very impressive look and the forms mirror what I am after.

Thanks,
Sal
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Old 01-10-2006, 03:36 PM
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ADO.NET has nothing to do with the way the web site looks. ADO.NET deals with the way you interact with the database. The presentation on a web site is handled by ASP.NET and the System.Web namespaces.

For the record, the cool look of the site that you linked to has very little to do with Cold Fusion either. Everything in the interface looks like Flash. (I don't know if the new versions of Cold Fusion can generate the Flash automatically, but I don't think so.)

Basically you're talking about two different parts of the development process...
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:34 AM
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That's good to know. For some reason, I thought the new version of ColdFustionMX was a WYSWIG development solution with all of the fancy flash bell and whistles forms.

Thanks for clarifying. Getting the most of form space is important to me. It seems like the stock labels and objects in VB are very plain. I do know that you can buy stuff, but that is very costly.

Maybe I need to dig into ASP.NET. The database will not be very robust. I just need to collect information from individuals and then allow committee members to review the data. There aren't financial transactions are advanced calculations.

Thanks for the clarification.

Sal

P.S. - By the way, ASP.NET 2.0 - is that part of VB.NET 2005? What is the big difference between 1.1 and 2.0? Can you just upgrade the ASP elemenet as opposed to having to purchase the entire suite? Also, do the Webhosts' servers have to be upgraded to 2.0?

Thanks again!
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By the way, ASP.NET 2.0 - is that part of VB.NET 2005? What is the big difference between 1.1 and 2.0? Can you just upgrade the ASP elemenet as opposed to having to purchase the entire suite? Also, do the Webhosts' servers have to be upgraded to 2.0?

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It depends on which version of VB you have. VB.NET Express edition does not have it. You'll need to download Visual Web Developer. All of the Visual Studio Editions come with it.

The main difference is the number of Controls that it comes with. There's also some new features like Master Pages and DataSource controls. (My two favorites.) I believe using Themes you can take care of some of your "Vanilla" look and feel concerns. I just haven't had a chance to play with them yet.

Yes, Web Servers will need the new version of the Framework. I'd leave the old one on there to support any existing apps that are written using 1.1.
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Old 01-11-2006, 06:03 PM
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I'm a bit confused with your reply. I think you may be talking about ASP.Net vice version 1.1 or 2.0. I spoke with Microsoft PreSales today and learned what now seems obvious with hindsite being '20/20'.

We are basically dealing with frameworks. The frameworks encapsulates the programming languages such as VB or C# etc. The ASP.Net 2.0 is part of the new Visual Studio 2005. Visual Studio 2003 has 1.1 framework.

Now, I think I have finally figured out what my issue is. The flash stuff has sex appeal to it, and the VB controls are as you said are vanilla. I have Visual Studio 2003 VB.Net.

I am now exploring FlashMX and how to incorporate database functionality into web pages. This also will broaden my horizons.

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SAL
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