Weird day

I shook hands with the President of Mexico today. He passed infront of my office and stopped. Nice guy, and very impressive and powerful speaking voice. Of course there is never a camera around when you need one images/icons/frown.gif.

What a strange life I lead. Here is a link (http://www.elnorte.com/monterrey/articulo/148254/) regarding his visit... I work in the "DuPek" plant.

-<font color=purple>The Hand</font color=purple>

<font color=green>All your code are belong to us...</font color=green> images/icons/tongue.gif

I don't know that much about mexican politics, but what I've heard of him impresses me....



"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder

Cool!

"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire

Hmmm, Hand impressive that was.....Now if I could just read Spanish I could understand why he stopped to visit you images/icons/smile.gif. That really is pretty cool.

Don

Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

wow that is very cool. why did he stop by your office?

I don't know spanish either :p

"AAAHHHHHHH!!!! I can't stand this "junior contributor" title. Self esteem is going down....

He gave a speech, followed by a tour. The tour just happened to pass through the hallway where my office is. I got up to see what was going on (people with cameras started going by), went to my door, and saw him coming into the hall. He made a b-line straight for my door, stopped, shook my hand, and said "Excellent work."

Very political thing to say and do, however cool and weird at the same time.

-<font color=purple>The Hand</font color=purple>

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Using the AltaVista translation on that link I posted above (and a little manual translation):

"In an event that did not last more than 30 minutes, the President opened the facilities of the new company, located on the Highway to García, in Santa Catarina.

The federal Agent chief executive showed interest on the utility of this pipe in irrigation districts.

In San Pedro, President Fox inaugurated the Dupek plant and an extension of the Nylon company of Mexico, both of the group Alpha, that had an investment of 185 million dollars, of which the 50 percent corresponded to the "regiomontano" group and the rest 50 percents was of its partner E I. Dupont de Nemours, Inc.

This industrial unit will have a production capacity of 40 thousand tons per year of textile nylon filament and will turn to this group into the most important textile nylon producing center of America.

The national Agent chief executive arrived at the facilities of this plant to 10:25 in the morning, one hour before which marked its agenda, and immediately made a route accompanied by Dionisio Garza Medina, president of Alpha.

The nylon textile is used in the fabric production for the article processing, as bathing suits, averages and socks, feminine intimate clothes, accidental and sport clothes.

Garza Medina informed that the production of these companies will ship 90 percent for the market of the United States and the rest for Mexican market.

This new plant generated 460 new uses of sindicalizados (???) workers and administrative personnel. "



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The President and his Cabinate are working to urge
the US government Naturalize thousands or millions
of Mexicans illegally staying and working in the US.

I wixh the task will come true soon.
I am Vietnamese, naturalized in April 1993 in Hartford.
I think the earth is for all human, and America is for
all immigrations and for whom who pursuit the rights
to be equal in the society. (I do not believe everyone
is created equal, but should be treated equally.)

AnhMy_Tran

Hey. Que bueno, vos!
sindicalizados = trade unionists

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I am sorry if I interpreted your post wrong, but I disagree on a few points. Although naturalization is a good thing, and the US does need these immigrant workers, it would be foolish to write a blank check to immigrants by saying "come here illegally, there will be no retribution!". The method to naturalization NEEDS to be through the appropriate channels and the proposition for the illegals to return home and fill out LEGAL paperwork is what I believe to be the prudent thing in this case.

America is *not* for all immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants, but there is NO way we can afford to feed/clothe/support/house the world's poor. If you want to come to America, and show that you are willing to WORK for your livelihood then great, but don't think for a minute you DESERVE to come here just because you don't like it where you're from.

Not everyone should be treated equally. That is a *huge* error in the mindset of many people, imnsho, that has pervaded the thinking of our newest generation. The words from the Declaration of Independance:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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Whether you believe in creation of God or not, your higher being has still allowed you the EQUAL right to life, libert and pursuit of happiness. However, I don't see how you can believe I am REQUIRED to treat you the same as I treat my father, lover, daughter, a convicted felon, etc. I believe that to be flawed logic. You are given the right to pursue happiness, but it is not MY responsibility to allow you into this country to do so. Nor is it MY responsibility to make it easier for you to do so if you are a citizen of the United States. That decision is up to each individual person.

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HOOOaaaaa! Semper Fi!

Thank you KesleyK, for your oppinion.

I agree that the Naturalization should be done in a proper way, legal way.

I have different oppinion and I still hold my oppinions that:
America or the World, or the Universe is for everyone, all human on earth,
and people can move freely (or we can say migrate).
Everybody should be treated equally. This does not mean the willingness
of an individual to do that, but it is the Law for all people.

I do not mean to argue or convince or persuade. It is my belief.

AnhMy_Tran

You are correct, you are fully entitled to your opinion. That is one of the great privileges to being an American citizen. However, don't fall into the trap of hiding behind the "it's my opinion" without being able to provide a reason/justification for it....

Here is an illustration of my previous assertion:

Would you loan/give your mother/lover $100? $1k? $10k? your car? live in your home? I assume yes to most of these.

Would you give a drug user $100? $10? I assume no, at least not as freely as you would to the previous question.

Would you allow a rapist to live in your home if you had a lover, wife, daughter, son? I assume no.

Would you loan a known thief with a history of grand theft auto your car? I assume no.

If you can honestly say yes to these types of questions, then you are a MUCH more forgiving soul and at-peace person than I. However, if you answer no, then you see my point. A person makes his own history and is responsible, at least in part, for the way he is treated. Not the law of creation (or whatever your belief is) to treat all people equally. Perhaps your intent is rather treat all people with respect? Or possible with the respect they have earned or deserve? But I cannot believe you are actually of the opinion that ALL people DESERVE the same level of respect.

If that is truly your opinion I would really love to hear the justification for it, rather than just falling back on the closed-off "it's my opinion/belief/religion" arguement.

To others -- would this be a better discussion for PM?

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HOOOaaaaa! Semper Fi!

No, I think it's a rather interesting debate.

i live in Montreal (quebec, canada) and here also we have a lot of immigrants

i think it's good to have different poeple thinking and doing different stuff. for example food, here in montreal we have stores dedicated to chinese, black, viet,... there's also tons of restaurants... then we have dance course of different nationalitys, martial arts from different country, different clothing....

most poeple today are saying no to imigrants because of attacks like in the US but this ain't general on all the race or nationality. there's no doubt that these poeple are real ********s* but why punish other poeple of the same nationality because of this group...

here in canada we are pretty open on immigrants and i like it, of corse just get in the country the correct way, with legal paperwork.... or else it does give a bad impression and a bad feeling .

i hope i don't frustrate nobody

Laurent

I'll be among the best soon, very soon!!!

For the most part I agree with what you say. The following is clarification of my stance on your comments.

I believe there are serious issues relating to a mixing of nationalities that must be dealt with, and you can see the struggles every day with race and religion in the bigger cities. However, there is also a great strength that comes along with diversity.

ALso, I don't believe in punishment based on nationality. However I do believe it prudent that if a demographic is shown to be a risk, the most effective way to deal with it is to profile. That is, by some, deemed to be racist. However, we air ads on tv based on demographic (racial, age, gender, etc.) so what is the harm in protecting ourselves via the same methods? When the police are searching suspects, and an eye-witness describes them as a 6' tall, white male do you expect them to stop everyone and question them, or look for white males between 5'10" and 6'2" for possible matches?

There may be feelings hurt in this method, but unfortunately it is the prudent thing to do at this time. I don't feel it is punishment, unless the people that are being profiled are treated with disrespect and poor treatment before a conviction or reasonable cause has been confirmed.

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HOOOaaaaa! Semper Fi!

Racial Profiling is indeed a useful tool in law enforcement, assuming it is not abused. It is this last part where the problems lie.

In a similar manner, you could make a case for a Benevolent Dictatorship being the best possible goverment. The trouble is finding dictators who are benevolent.... In our imperfect world, this is not often achieved (although Diocletian comes to mind...) and so it is with Racial Profiling. The potential for abuse has pretty much banned the use of RP.



"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder

Amen.

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HOOOaaaaa! Semper Fi!

KesleyK:

I see your point, and I agree with most of your oppinions.

I just think that people are good, with few exception are bad,
that they deserve to have good life. The bad persons may be
any ones, in other countries or in America, in any ethic groups.

The world tends to reunite in one nation, or in another way of
seeing, no nation at all. At this point, if you want you can say that
America conquers the world, or America is the largest country
in the world. The day is far but it is coming.

AnhMy_Tran

I appreciate you taking the time to clarify your stance. However, I am confused by this point:<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr>

At this point, if you want you can say that
America conquers the world, or America is the largest country
in the world. The day is far but it is coming.

<hr></blockquote>I am sorry, but I'm not understanding that part. Could you expound on it?

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HOOOaaaaa! Semper Fi!

It is the way some people prefer to say. It sounds agressive
but I do not have my own opinion against that.

In my word, America is the pioneer who takes more responsibility
to the world. We may have some mistakes in the past, but we
try our best to help people on earth. We will conquer the difficulties
and all nations will help us. The world's problems are for all people
but we are more active in solving them rather than waiting for others
to deal with that. We have been paying for the cost of our effort.

It is the way God creates America, blesses America, for the world.

That is the reason I think illegal immigrants in America who behave
well during their trials deserve to stay. The Law is going to grant
them the legal rights to be Americans. We do not encourage illegal
immigrations, but we have sympathy on them and offer them a chance.
I totally agree with our Immigration and Naturalization Law, and I
trust our officers who have done good jobs to Americans as well as
to the new Immigrants. The Law is more generous than I expected.

AnhMy_Tran