More forums?

We are thinking about adding new forums to cover more programming languages. Let us know what you think.
Please take the time to vote.

Might well be worth expanding .NET in to the language, like C#, VB.NET and ASP.NET now they're about to become more accessable.

Scheme maybe? Then I finally could help someone out...
If anyone uses Scheme, that is...
(btw, Scheme is a Lisp-dialect, and Lisp is... well, a programming language...)
Anyway, I would love to learn more about C, so that would be neat...

Hanni

I don't think we need declarative programming languages like Lisp, Scheme, SML or whatever - they are too abstract (different paradigm)

Imperative languages are enough here. But, if people want, I don't care.

How about breaking SQL out from databases?

I don't know... There are those of us who only use SQL with databases. So there isn't really a difference. And how would the inexperienced user know which to post in? Don't want the moderators having to spend excessive amounts of time moving posts around.

Those problems aside, it really isn't a bad idea. Maybe such a forum could include specific SQL Server/Oracle/etc. things. Like stored procs, T-SQL, DTS, jobs, etc. Something to consider.

Actually, I think there's a huge difference.

If a programmer needs help with a SQL query, a forum devoted to SQL would help separate the post from one where somebody who needs assistance with using ADO, or database design, etc.

For the inexperienced user, it's pretty simple: choose Database Help or SQL...

Having separate forums for SQL Server, Oracle, Access, and others is a great idea!

You're talking an awful lot of forums.

:)

I'm talking about one - SQL...although the other would be good, too.

Let's keep in mind this is a VB forum, and we're just looking to add one, maybe two more for other languages in general. I think that SQL fits perfectly well in the DB section. No matter where it is, it's not going to get many more replies than if it was in the Database forum. I support the general languages forum idea, and I think it's great!

Yeah, you're probably right, although, let's also keep in mind that probably 90% of the apps written in VB involve databases and SQL.
:)

The main url is www.visualbasicforum.com, so let VB be the main part of this forum.

No problems though with "General programming" or "General SQL" etc. ;)

Just to add my part if I can. COULDN'T AGREE MORE!

How about a webmasters section for all the webmasters to gather and share links dreamweaver skills etc...?

Look at the bottom of the main index page. There is already a section devoted to Web Programming.

A good webmaster, however, will not use DreamWeaver.

What would you use?

You write HTML! You write script! You code!

You don't let some program make it all for you so half the time you don't even know what its putting in to your page. DreamWeaver is the bane of good web designers lives.

If we all just lived up to the W3C standard, but hey, neither MS nor NS and not even Opera use the correct implementation.

But I agree, I would rather use notepad then dreamweaver :D
(I use Textpad)

I used to work like that, but with the complexity of most websites now it is not worth it. Gone are the days when web design programs produced horrible obscure code that was virtually impossible to modify manually. Even Frontpage produces decent HTML. I must admit that I don't know much about Dreamweaver but I base my comments on the other editors I have seen.

Bear in mind the creation of most HTML page in a web site is just tedious manual labour and so ripe for automation. I tend to use Frontpage to create the pages and then drop back to manual editing for the interesting stuff, like scripting.

i sometimes use notepad for HTML after all that's where i learned HTML courtesy of my brother :p

but most sites use frontpage i hate the way frontpage is setup im used to dreamweaver but you have to admit you can produce some pretty nice things with dreamweaver...

I would never try to maintain a complete website (besides my own :) ) with all code written by hand.
Most of the times I create a kind of "site builder" program which uses html & css templates (written by hand ;) ).

The biggest advantages for me writing a "site builder" are:
1. the user can easily add/change/modify the data
2. the user can't change the layout/design

"Gone are the days when web design programs produced horrible obscure code that was virtually impossible to modify manually."

Are you insane? Show me one that doesn't **** up a page you've coded and layed out nicely for editing.

I think we are talking about slightly different scenarios. I agree that if you have written a page by hand and then use a web editor on it then it will start putting the code in in its format.
However, if you start the page from scratch in the editor then write any additions in its style then all is well.

I suppose it comes down to whether you can live with adopting the style of the program that you are using. My point was that the coding style of most editor programs is now pretty good.

I'll be adding the new forums when I get back home from holiday. I'm still thinking about which to add. So far I have come up with this.

Add new category:

Other Languages

Add forums:

C/C++
Assembly
Delphi

Add C# as subforum of .NET and possibly ASP ?

Rearrange Web Programming

What I will do here is make Web Programming a forum and move it into Other Languages? or create another forum in the current category called Web Programming and create forums below as sub forums? or leave it as is and:

Add forums:

HTML
Perl
PHP
Java
Javascript
ASP
VBScript

Need your comments on web programming. The advantage of subforums is that the main page isn't cluttered. With all forums on the main page users won't scroll through them all to find the appropriate one to post in. This causes Random Thoughts to act as a catchall.

As divil pointed out should we also add ASP to .NET and have 2 ASP forums or wait until .NET is out of beta and then expand on it?
Let me know what you think.

Just my thoughts:

Web programming:
1. Perl/php
2. (D)html/javascript
3. Asp

Net:
1. VB.Net
2. C#
3. Asp.Net

Databases:
1. VB - Access
2. VB - other DB
3. SQL

.NET may well be out of beta by the time you're back from holiday ;)

The trouble is, when it comes to some languages its hard to know whether to categorise them under "programming languages" or "web development" specifically. This is especially true with ASP.NET. On the one hand, it is very specific about using technologies such as web controls and web forms, but on the other hand, you can use any of the .NET languages with it.

i would certainly like to have one talking about c++ and JAVA, i haven't touched those since college, about a year now, so it would be nice too look into it a bit and try to help other users with these languages

i remember a post in the past that said something about this forum wanted to be the #1 of the vb forums, my personal though is that's done! now can we make it bigger like the #1 forum for programming... we have in here lots of experienced poeple in many fields of activity so i think this could be done.

that's my 2 cents

Well, this idea might not be appropriate for this forum. This is just a newbie's idea.

I feel many people just want and ask specific skills of programming in a particular language (VB in here). I totally agree those skills are very useful and important - easy to get it. On the other hand, we also need to understand the general principles of programming languages. It will help programmers to understand a particular programming language better and eventually to know which language would be the most appropriate for a certain type of problem. So, in addition to placing more languages like C++ and Java in here, we might need some place to discuss each language's features.

Fortunately, we have a lot of experts like Thinker, CL, reboot and other good programmers. I thought about a new forum which will be on programming concepts. This new forum with the existing forums will be helpful to develop a practical sense of programming and also the fundamentals of programming.

That's really not a bad idea. Although it would probably turn out to be another 'Random Thoughts'.

I like the idea of a C++ forum. You'd be suprised how many VB programmers know C++, who primarily use C++ for mainstream apps, then then use VB for quick apps that need to be done now and finished a week ago.