Pronunciation of SQL

I've googled for the pronunciation of SQL, and haven't been able to find a difinitive "This is how it should be pronounced" from anyone who would claim any such authority (who would have such authority is probably undefinable anyhow, but...) So I'm just curious how people here pronounce it. As a generalization, it seems users of Microsoft SQL Server pronounce it "see-quel", while *nix enthusiasts pronounce it "ess-que-el". My Access 2000 Developer's Handbook (Getz, Litwin, Gilbert) states they prefer "see-quel", even though one of the arguements I've read against that pronunciation is on the same page (mainly that the "see-quel" pronunciation has already been used by the predecessor, SEQUEL). Do you have a favorite? If so, why?

I've only ever heard it pronounced as sequel (SEE - qwell).

I pronunce it sequel too

Or in Spanish "ese" "cu" "ele"

The way I've heard it is that if your talking about MS it's sequel, otherwise it's S-Q-L

Whereas I pronounce it Sequel whether it's for ACCESS, SQL Server, or Oracle.

I pronounce it like the letters "S-Q-L"

It's NOT "sequel!!!" *grumble grumble grumble* It drives me NUTZ when it is called "sequel" ... it isn't the second part of a movie!!! :D

SQL is the acronym for Structured Query Language. Nowhere in there is the word "sequel." Since ADO is not pronounced "a-doo", I pronounce it "ess-kew-el".

It's like when people call their whole CPU "the hard drive." Or when people call Excel a database :)

It's NOT "sequel!!!" *grumble grumble grumble* It drives me NUTZ when it is called "sequel" ... it isn't the second part of a movie!!! :D

SQL is the acronym for Structured Query Language. Nowhere in there is the word "sequel." Since ADO is not pronounced "a-doo", I pronounce it "ess-kew-el".

It's like when people call their whole CPU "the hard drive." Or when people call Excel a database :)
I agree. SQL is more logical. Where did sequel come from anyway?

I've always pronounced it "Fred". Is this wrong of me?

I call it ES-kwul just to be different

I've always pronounced it "Fred". Is this wrong of me?
reboot - remember, nothing you do is wrong. You could call it whatever and it would still be right. ;) :chuckle:

I've allways just called it S-Q-L. "Seekwell" just doesn't appeal to me I think. :)

I've always pronounced it "Fred". Is this wrong of me?
reboot, once again you've opened my eyes!

I always thought it was an unpronouncable symbol for 'Structured Query Language' and as such must have been created by the 'simply quazy loonies [@ micro$]'.

P.C.M.C.I.A - People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms

I use S-Q-L in general.
When referring to MS SQL Server it's normally "squeal" server in honour of the noise most people make when they see it's price tag.

I always say "squiggle,"

. . . but that's also what I call the tilde ("~") sign and numerous other non-letters when I have to say 'em out loud. Victor Borge was ahead of his time in having a pronunciation for each piece of punctuation.

Does anyone else call ! a 'bang'?

Does anyone else call ! a 'bang'?
Yeah. And, I think, * is a "splat," right?

Everyone calls ! bang. Don't they?

In my country they don't :p

It's been my experience that it's more often pronounced "S. Q. L." among academics and "Sequel" in the workplace. I use both, but am more likely to spell it out. I seem to recall that a former member of our leadership here used to call it "Squirrel" -- I think I prefer it to "Sequel." :)

Most people I've delt with (and I fall into this category myself) call it 'sequel server' and 'ess-que-ell' language, 'ess-que-ell' query, etc.

It's decided ... technology experts can take electrical impulses and represent them in a binary language, and then further figure out how to make these electrons represent a human being's intentions and hold their data and report it, but they can't decide on a name for it. :)

Heh... I just realized I don't even know how I pronounce it, because cannot remember when I last said it out loud! I don't work with programming and none of the people around me are programmers, so I have really only "said" and "heard" it on screen and on paper.

Does anyone else call ! a 'bang'?
Yes, that's very common for unix people. They call the ! a bang and they call a # a sharp (as in musical notation). In unix, all script files begin with the characters "#!", that's the sharp and the bang, so they are commonly known as "sha-bang!"

Does anyone here call the $ a string? I started programming at an early age (about 8 years old) in basic, back when you were required to put a $ at the end of a string identifier. So "x" is "x", and "x$" is "x string". I got so used to that, that even to this day every time I see a "$" I think "string". When I was going through school, and we'd have a test and it said "$1.25" on it, or something like that, my first impulse would be to say "string one twenty five" and everyone would look at me funny and then I realize what I said and say "I mean, a dollar twenty five". I WAS CORRUPTED BY BASIC!!! AT AN EARLY AGE!!! HELP!!!

Most people I've delt with (and I fall into this category myself) call it 'sequel server' and 'ess-que-ell' language, 'ess-que-ell' query, etc.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say... That's the way I hear it the most.

It's decided ... technology experts can take electrical impulses and represent them in a binary language, and then further figure out how to make these electrons represent a human being's intentions and hold their data and report it, but they can't decide on a name for it. :)
This is why they have marketing people, right? *ducking* (remembers the Dilbert episode where 'That Perfect Corporation' went up in flames due to introduction of a marketing dept.)

This is about to go way off-topic... But all this talk about sharps and bangs and sha-bangs is making me think about Willaim Hung...

Oh, and I've never heard anyone say Squirrel Server... But I like it!
:chuckle:

Oh, and I've never heard anyone say Squirrel Server... But I like it!
:chuckle:
*ROFL* I have to remember that one! Of course, when waiting for something to execute/load/etc. I frequently can be heard saying out loud 'see the hamsters go'. I guess Servers are more powerful and thus they need Squirrels!

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It's like when people call their whole CPU "the hard drive." Or when people call Excel a database :)
Almost as bad as when people call a computer case a CPU eh?

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It's like when people call their whole CPU "the hard drive." Or when people call Excel a database :)
Technically, Excel is (or can be, if it has data in it) a database. So is a phone book. :) Neither are RDBMS's, though.

Almost as bad as when people call a computer case a CPU eh?
That's a funny one, but the definition holds true. Just depends on how you look at it: If you're looking at the entire system, then between the monitor and the key board sits the box that does the processing, so technically you could call that a CPU and be correct about it. Now, when you look inside, between the HD and the NIC sits a chip that does all the processing, so that could be called a CPU. Now if you look at that chip, and you strip away all the extras (registers, cache, etc) then what you have left is just a raw CPU. So I guess it just depends on the scale you're looking at... :-\

I tend to favor the pronounciation 'sequel' just because there are fewer syllables, and that's a good thing. I remember something in the mySQL docs, however, that was somewhat militant about pronouncing it 'mie ess kew ell'. What we need to do is hunt down some people from an early dev team and have them make something like the Linus Torvalds guide to pronouncing 'linux': http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/saylinux.htm

Almost as bad as when people call a computer case a CPU eh?
My neighbor calls it "the brain".

Everyone calls ! bang. Don't they?
Looks like an exclamation mark to me. :)
I seem to recall that a former member of our leadership here used to call it "Squirrel" -- I think I prefer it to "Sequel."
I call it Sql - if you can try to pronounce the way its written... "Squool"
Almost as bad as when people call a computer case a CPU eh?Sometimes I call it the Box or the Unit. (I like the Brain though)
Does anyone here call the $ a string?
I call it "Esh", a combination of S "es" and cash... "esh" (that 'looks' silly, now that I write it). :chuckle:

I call $ "dollars". i.e. "s$" is "s dollars" and "$1.25" is "dollars 1 point twenty-five"
! = "bang"
# = "sharp"
^ = "up"
( ) = "lp" and "rp" (for left parenthesis/right parenthesis)
& = "cat" (from concatenate)

I've got one-syllable names for most characters I commonly use because I usually say what I'm typing to myself either out loud or in my head.

Hmm... I say ^ "up" too :).
How would you pronounce "lp" and "rp"?
lip and rip? lep and rep? lap and rap?

more like "ulp" and "erp"

Oh God, this is getting ridiculous :)

Especially since the British pronounce everything wrong eh Banjo? ;) :p

I call this $... string...:rolleyes:

I'm not even getting into that argument. Partly because we'll be here forever and partly because you're wrong. :)

I'm not even getting into that argument. Partly because we'll be here forever and partly because you're wrong. :)

You meant by this?

Especially since the British pronounce everything wrong eh Banjo?

Judging by post times between his and yours I'd say yes ;)

@Bannjo :chuckle:

There must be a lot of musically inclined folk with the number who call # a sharp ... I've always called it a hash or a pound (with the exception of C#, where someone was smart enough to come out with an Official Pronounciation before the community tried to figure out how to say it outside of a whitepaper)

Almost as bad as when people call a computer case a CPU eh?
That is one of my pet hates, when people call their whole computer tower a hard drive. Dont know why, but it infuriates me.

Oh and I generally call all the symbols by the dictionary term. I was brought up saying things the dictionary way, & = ampersand ect :)

Especially since the British pronounce everything wrong eh Banjo?
It's a common misperception that "English" and "American" are the same language. This is clearly not the case; e.g. A term such as "football" in England, relates to a game that is played with ones feet. Americans of course, choose to overlook this distinction. :p :chuckle:


BTW: how does one pronounce "|" ? :confused:

Timbo - it's a "pipe"

"English" and "American"

You mean "Brittish" and "American",
however, they are the same language, just different dialects.

No, I'm pretty sure he means "English" and "American" because he, like most Britons, don't know when they are right and when they are wrong. They think that because they live on an island they are always right. (Perhaps Animal Planet should make a documentary on these strange creatures...)

;) :chuckle:

You mean "Brittish" and "American"Even us dumb Americans know it's 'British' with one t.

Oops, my spelling is crap (Libral arts are my low ;))

Timbo - it's a "pipe"
Trust a Kiwi to have that reply on the tip of his tongue! :rolleyes: :whoops: :D

...I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

Actually, it's because I spend so much time using Linux.

You mean "Brittish" and "American",
however, they are the same language, just different dialects.
Yes, but very generally. Within britain and america likewise there are more dialects, so you simply cant label all the people in one country as speaking a particular dialect.

BTW: Do all of the threads in this forum always go off on little tangents?

Yes.
Just take a look back at history:
http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=30231&page=1&pp=20&highlight=topic
Page 1 - Billsoo's Avatar
Page 5 - TV shows :p

Yes.
Just take a look back at history:
http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=30231&page=1&pp=20&highlight=topic
Page 1 - Billsoo's Avatar
Page 5 - TV shows :p

I do remember on dhtmlcentral.com forums the same thing happened all the time...
;)

Maybe it is just the will to chat.

However I never get included in the 'happening conversations' because I am always asleep at the wrong times.

If anyone lives in the sothern hemisphere... I'd love to talk... :D :rolleyes:

I always called ^ a "hat," and # was "pound," although there's that currency-pound symbol as well. Some folks called # "box."

The @ and the ~ were *very* obscure characters before their internet use, and only typesetters knew what they were called, it seemed.

Actually Iceplug, it divulged more around the bottom of the third page... (Much like where we are now in this thread...)

http://www.wordiq.com/dictionary/ascii.html

I think the best definition for ASCII is shadow. :chuckle:

The "|" character I've most commonly heard called a pipe, as in "DIR /? | MORE" says "dir slash question pipe more". I've also heard it called "vertical bar", "v-bar", or just "bar", but all of those more rarely than just "pipe".

The @ and the ~ were *very* obscure characters before their internet use, and only typesetters knew what they were called, it seemed.

The first time I remember hearing that name of the tilde ("~") was when Quake 1 came out, you had to push tilde to get in command-line mode. I think alot of the quake-killer FPS games are still that way today? Also, in unix, it's standard convention to put a tilde at the end of a backup file, similiar to haow it seems to be becoming the defacto standard in windows to precede a temporary file's name with a tilde.

Does anyone call the back-slash a whack? As in "\\MyComputer\C" is "whack whack mycomputer whack c"? I laughed the first time I heard someone read that as "whack whack". What's next, a character called "****"? :chuckle:

I always called ^ a "hat," and # was "pound," although there's that currency-pound symbol as well. Some folks called # "box."

The @ and the ~ were *very* obscure characters before their internet use, and only typesetters knew what they were called, it seemed.
Hmmm.... the tilde is quite UNOBSCURE, except perhaps to those who only speak/read English.

Never heard ^ called a hat but that would make easy sense if someone was trying to explain something over the phone. My habit has always been to fall back to 'circumflex' (or accent circonflex [?sp]) when trying to describe those to others of a less-programmer oriented background.

# is a sharp but only to musicians (see my avatar) and in the business world at least used to be fairly evenly split between "Pound" and "Number" sign. The best one I've heard was someone working in customer service for a former employer - she kept trying to describe the "tic tac toe thingie".

My own personal weirdness is with '(' which for years I used to mentally think of as "sub", as in A(1) being pronounced "A sub 1" from my earliest days in BASIC and FORTRAN.

Of course, you want to confuse people, refer to left and right carets and see if they know that those are '<' and '>'.

"whack whack". Oh dear. Did you actually laugh out load at that person or did you manage to maintain a modicum of restraint?

Well, I'll bring in my ways of pronouncing stuff:

~ = tilde
! = exclamation mark
@ = at
# = sharp / pound
$ = dollar
% = percent
^ = caret / power
& = and
* = star
() = parenthesis

[] = brackets
{} = braces
| = bar
\ = slash
/ = slash
<> = signs
. = dot

: = colon
; = semicolon
" = quote
' = semiquote

In everyday conversation, using these terms doesn't draw the look of surprise as if I had said "whack whack MyServer whack Curley bang Shemp (\\MyServer\Curley!Shemp)"

Mine's the same as Mike, with the following exceptions:
# = hash / sharp
^ = caret / hat
& = ampersand
| = pipe
/ = slash / forward slash
\ = slash / back slash
. = period / dot
' = apostrophe

"whack whack"... that's like pronouncing "www" as "wibble"

Hmmm.... the tilde is quite UNOBSCURE, except perhaps to those who only speak/read English.

Never heard ^ called a hat but ...
Wasn't my intent to marginalize non-English speakers; of course a tilde OVER a letter is pretty common. I'd guess that it's rather esoteric by itself.

In some physics applications we had x, y and z; x', y', z' (that's x-prime, etc.); x-dot, y-dot and z-dot (dot over the letter) . . . and in some, it was x-hat, y-hat and z-hat, with the caret over the letter. All specialized uses, though I forget what for.

Wasn't my intent to marginalize non-English speakers; of course a tilde OVER a letter is pretty common. I'd guess that it's rather esoteric by itself.

In some physics applications we had x, y and z; x', y', z' (that's x-prime, etc.); x-dot, y-dot and z-dot (dot over the letter) . . . and in some, it was x-hat, y-hat and z-hat, with the caret over the letter. All specialized uses, though I forget what for.
Reminds me of how we tag signals in the electronics world - NOT is indicated by either a Line over the name (overhead underline as it were) or a slash preceding it. In either case it is somewhat accepted practice to call the signal "signalname BAR" (indicating it is TRUE when 0 (i.e. LO) ). Of course, you can easily see the application for /FOO ! :)

The tilde is another (less frequently used) symbol that in some contexts indicates NOT or INVERT.

The advantage to the '/' form is that if you have a signal that means one thing when HI and another when LO you can write it as 'A/B' and to the trained observer it is clear from the name how it works.

Well, the prime (') generally means something that has been translated, rotated, or reflected in geometry. In algebraic terms, it generally specifies what the end is. Like if the function is f(x) = 3x, and it's f(4), x' would be 12 (at least how we learned it here). Never heard of the hat/line notations. Also, in some languages such as Spanish, the tilde over the n, produces a new sound. n by itself is "en - eh", while n with a tilde is "en - yeh". Also, if I remember correctly, in Portuguese, the accent can be over a vowel, such as in the "proper" spelling of Sao Paulo.

` = Slanty
~ = Tilde
! = Exclamation Mark
@ = At
# = Number
$ = Dollar
% = Percent
^ = Up
& = And
* = Star
() = Parentheses
- = Dash
_ = Underscore
= = Equals
+ = Plus
[] = Brackets
{} = Curly Brackets
| = Pipe
\ = Slash (followed by "No, the other slash")
; = Semicolon
: = colon
' = Quote
" = Double Quote
, = Comma
. = Dot
/ = Slash
? = Question Mark or "huh"
<> = Lesser than / Greater than
¿ = "HUH?"

- = Dash

You prompted me to register just to expound on my pet peeve. :)

One "-" is a hyphen. Two of them (--) are a dash.

One of them is a dash two of them is a double dash :p

I often have to catch myself from calling - a dash as well.
Two of them -- are an ugly looking dash. :)

Parentheses is how I say them... the other word is how I identify them formally.
~ - tilde
` - grave
! - exclamation mark or exclamation point, depending on my mood.
@ - at sign (at)
# - number sign (num)
$ - dollar sign (esh)
% - percent sign (percent)
^ - house (up)
& - and sign (and)... I know it's called ampersand but that's too many syllables.
* - asterisk (star)
() - parentheses
[] - brackets, {} - braces, <> - inequalities
_ - blank
| - pipe

I often have to catch myself from calling - a dash as well.
Two of them -- are an ugly looking dash. :)

An en-dash and and em-dash (although I don't remember which is which... I think en is narrower). Of course, that would be just in the realm of typography! Which points out one of the issues with all these little bits of splat - in the programming world they have been adapted (generally with some intelligence) from both the math world and the written language world (I'd say the typewriter but then you don't always get all the characters!).

Just pipe this thread through jive and see what we get. ;)

MikeJ-
This is about to go way off-topic... But all this talk about sharps and bangs and sha-bangs is making me think about Willaim Hung...

Timbo-
Trust a Kiwi to have that reply on the tip of his tongue!

I have never heard someone call somebody a kiwi before like that. I laugh with tears in my eyes as I type this. :chuckle:
Herilane-
"whack whack"... that's like pronouncing "www" as "wibble"

Tarh-
` = Slanty
\ = Slash (followed by "No, the other slash")

"NO, the other slash..." Oh so true.... :rolleyes:


Thank you to everyone who contributed the following comments. I had a good laugh at work because of them.

I, incidently, call it "sequel".

Does anyone call the back-slash a whack? As in "\\MyComputer\C" is "whack whack mycomputer whack c"? I laughed the first time I heard someone read that as "whack whack". What's next, a character called "****"? :chuckle:

Oh dear, it seems I've been censored. Well, the word I suggested was a British word with the same street conotation as the American word "whack", and rhymes with the word "rank".

"whack whack"... that's like pronouncing "www" as "wibble"

I used to work with a guy who thought that a "w" had too long of a name, especially after the world wide web was created. So he just called them dubs, like "dub dub dub dot google dot com". :) Sounds funny, but he's got a point.

Whenever I see a #, in my mind I say "number sign" but my mouth says pound (or I've started calling it sharp recently, because of my unix experience and MS C#) not because I thought it was more correct, but because it was fewer syllables. ;)

I used to work with a guy who thought that a "w" had too long of a name, especially after the world wide web was created. So he just called them dubs, like "dub dub dub dot google dot com". Sounds funny, but he's got a point.I know, he definitely has a point... The people who created www and then let it loose in the wild without a proper pronounciation were just plain evil.

But I would still not call it "wibble" because nobody would understand what I'm talking about... or they'd start asking questions and then we'd start discussing the merits of "wibble" vs "dub dub dub" so it would hardly save me time. :) Just skip the dubs and say "google dot com".

In Swedish, btw, people just pretend the w-s are all v-s and say "vee vee vee" instead of "dubbelvee dubbelvee dubbelvee".

We could all band together and switch the subnet of all of our web servers to something easier to pronounce. Imagine:

web.yourdomain.com

I mean, there's nothing other than DWIM filters in web browsers keeping www as any kind of standard for the name of a web server.

We could all band together and switch the subnet of all of our web servers to something easier to pronounce. Imagine:

web.yourdomain.com

I mean, there's nothing other than DWIM filters in web browsers keeping www as any kind of standard for the name of a web server.
Or wibble.yourdomain.com ;) I guess the Mac users would weeble though....hmmm

It's become common practise in New Zealand to call www "dub dub dub". Everyone uses it now, including the media.

Anything is better than when some television programs say it super slowly. Examples in US / Canada:

Unsolved Mysteries (Prime)
How It Is Made (Discovery)

At the end of the show, they pronounce the www soooo slowly:
Unsolved Mysteries:
dub... a... ya.... dub... a... ya... dub... a... ya.... de-ot...

How It Is Made:
Dub.. O.. Yeouw.. Dub.. O.. Yeouw.. Dub.. A.. Ya.. Dut..

It bothers me so much every time I see those shows.... ARG!!!

How unfortunate that web addresses ended up with tripling the only three-syllable letter in the alphabet!

On old-new joke was "Why don't the New York Mets* have a web site? Because they can't string three W's together, that's why."

*Brewers, Cubs, Tigers, whichever team is getting the worst of it.

Remember that those shows are watched by a wide audience, including those who can't write/type quickly. The slow reading is probably to give these people a chance to write it down.

An en-dash and and em-dash (although I don't remember which is which... I think en is narrower). ...

The en is narrower than the em, just as N is narrower than M. The ancient ;) guys who used to set movable type referred to en-spaces and m-spaces and so on.

Actually, there's a hoard of symbols used in phonetics, a few of which are borrowed by commonly written languages: the tilde, the grave, the umlaut, the breve, the diaresis ... I had to learn all of these for a test maybe sixth grade, then promptly forgot most of them.

Does anyone here call the $ a string?

Yup! I do, since my first programming class on a TRS-80 ("trash-80" :) ) in sixth grade.

Anything is better than when some television programs say it super slowly. Examples in US / Canada:

Unsolved Mysteries (Prime)
How It Is Made (Discovery)

At the end of the show, they pronounce the www soooo slowly:
Unsolved Mysteries:


How It Is Made:


It bothers me so much every time I see those shows.... ARG!!!
I think it's even worse when they give the fully qualified url:

"point your browser to H T T P colon, slash slash, double-U double-U double-U, dot, ... "
They usually do it that way on the news...

Here we say "dubya dubya dubya", but just cause that's the way we talk. :chuckle: (Had to insult myself before someone else [*looks at Banjo*] did)

****! ;)

tehe, censored words look so much worse than they actually are. In this case is was d@mn.

***** *** *****!
They sure do (especially when they aren't actually censored - that was just a series of asteriks! Or should I say stars or maybe even splats. :chuckle:)

Haha but it doesnt censore another language's "bad words" :chuckle:

Ok, here's my list of what i call the ascii sings, since i am not natively english, here's my dutch list with english translation :D

Explanation: sign = dutch name (translated english name)


~ = golfje (wave)
! = uitroepteken (exclamation mark)
@ = apestraartje (monkey's tale)
# = hekje (fence)
$ = dollar teken (dollar sign)
% = procent (percent)
^ = dakje (little roof)
& = en (and)
* = keer (times, as in 3 times 3 is nine)
( = haakje open (open hook)
) = haakje sluiten (close hook)
{ = kringel boogje open (open squigly arch)
} = kringel boogje sluite (close squigly arch)
[ = vierkant haakje open (open square hook)
] = vierkant haakje sluiten (close square hook)
= = is teken (equal sign)
| = (no name)
< = kleiner dan (smaller then)
> = groter dan (bigger then)
_ = liggend streepje (line lying on the floor)

Monkey's tail? "My email address is asonetuh monkey's tail soup dot com" :D
I'll have to try using "monkey's tail" and see if anyone understands me...

That was very educational. Thanks!

It's been my experience that it's more often pronounced "S. Q. L." among academics and "Sequel" in the workplace. I use both, but am more likely to spell it out. I seem to recall that a former member of our leadership here used to call it "Squirrel" -- I think I prefer it to "Sequel." :)

Just out of curiousity, I showed a paper with "SQL" written on it to one of my computer illiterate friends at school. He immediatly said "Squirrel?" I was very surprised at this response, remembering that exact post. I asked him how "SQL" looks like "Squirrel" to him, to which he replied "Well, most of the letters are there." A logical answer it would seem, except for the missing "u", "i", "r", and "e"'s. Strange, very strange. :-\

Has anyone noticed that the last SQL related post (Not counting mine. 76 (http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showpost.php?p=762750&postcount=76) and Tarh's) was way back at 35 (http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showpost.php?p=759809&postcount=35)? :chuckle:

Not that the current topic isn't entertaining.... :rolleyes: ;)

I asked him how "SQL" looks like "Squirrel" to him, to which he replied "Well, most of the letters are there."
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. ceehiro.

:D Pretty cool, huh?

Has anyone noticed that the last SQL related post (Not counting mine. 76 (http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showpost.php?p=762750&postcount=76) and Tarh's) was way back at 35 (http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showpost.php?p=759809&postcount=35)? :chuckle:

Not that the current topic isn't entertaining.... :rolleyes: ;)
You haven't been on many forums have you? :p

Yeah, I heard a rumor once, about a forum that had threads that were always on topic, and people actually pt relevant titles on their posts. I never found it though... ;)

You haven't been on many forums have you? :p
Truth be told, you are correct! This forum is so wonderful I do not feel the need to frequent many others. :D


Yeah, I heard a rumor once, about a forum that had threads that were always on topic, and people actually pt relevant titles on their posts. I never found it though... ;)
See Post Title.

:eek: :rolleyes: I guess this post means I am contributing to the "decay" of this thread...

Ok, here's my list of what i call the ascii sings, since i am not natively english, here's my dutch list with english translation :D

Explanation: sign = dutch name (translated english name)


~ = golfje (wave)
! = uitroepteken (exclamation mark)
@ = apestraartje (monkey's tale)
# = hekje (fence)
$ = dollar teken (dollar sign)
% = procent (percent)
^ = dakje (little roof)
& = en (and)
* = keer (times, as in 3 times 3 is nine)
( = haakje open (open hook)
) = haakje sluiten (close hook)
{ = kringel boogje open (open squigly arch)
} = kringel boogje sluite (close squigly arch)
[ = vierkant haakje open (open square hook)
] = vierkant haakje sluiten (close square hook)
= = is teken (equal sign)
| = (no name)
< = kleiner dan (smaller then)
> = groter dan (bigger then)
_ = liggend streepje (line lying on the floor)

Imagine trying to read code out loud in dutch:

3 < (10 * 10) "3 ist kleiner dan haakje open 10 keer 10 haakje sluiten"

No worse than the English: Three is less than open paren ten times ten close paren.

I asked him how "SQL" looks like "Squirrel" to him, to which he replied "Well, most of the letters are there."
Hey! I would love to call it Squirell!
I Don't speak www
Just start with the main name!
Interesting how pronunciation of SQL led to such interesting posts!

No worse than the English: Three is less than open paren ten times ten close paren.
Or:
Three is less than ten times ten in parenthesis.

Or:
Three is less than ten times ten in parenthesis.
hmmm....

_,......_
-' `-
`. 3 ,'
`--.....--:_ /\
`-._ / :.
`-._ `.. _____
| |`-._`,-: ``-.
| | | (100) |
| | `._ ,'
,,-'| |`-.. `-----''
| |.| |
`._ _,'
`''''

... Yeah, I heard a rumor once, about a forum that had threads that were always on topic, and people actually pt relevant titles on their posts. I never found it though... ;)

Probably not much fun there anyway.

Well, how many members did the Forum have?
I remember about a bunch of people who, on getting annoyed with their current political party decided to branch off and make a new party of their own. They were about 4 people. So, the party was made:
Person #1- President
Person #2- Vice-President
Person #3- Secretary
Person #4- Treasurer

... It seems that FORUM will have the same thing. Two admins, two moderators, a couple of newbies!

Well, this also re-inforces my love of Xtreme VB Talk.

Hmm, I seem to be different then everyone on the first page...

SQL = Squall
Like the bird.

To get back to SQL. The reason it is pronounced "Sequel" is that in the 70's when IBM invented it was called SEQUEL (Structured English QUEry Language). When IBM released it to public domain the word English was dropped and it became SQL. For some reason the phrase "Sequel" remained.

I don't call it either... I don't even use the term actually. I mostly just use "Query" or "Database" when I'm on such topics...

I call it - a "Database server" and I write "queries" to access it.

About the ONLY time I ever use the term SQL is when we are talking about what language is running on what server.... like
"Man, I can't believe GMDI is STILL running on sequel 6, 5!!"(SQL6.5) (and yes, it is believe it or not)
I never say S-Q-L. :-\

* - there is a guy here who calls this an "astris" and yet ANOTHER guy who call it an "aXtrixt" :huh:

* - there is a guy here who calls this an "astris" and yet ANOTHER guy who call it an "aXtrixt" :huh:
I suppose that that is better than "star-dealy" :).
"Put it on a new line and put a little star-dealy in front of it".

What about this one. Database....

How do you pronounce that one? I hear data with a "short" a and a "long" a.

I always pronounce it with the "long" a. Like the character from Star Trek. Data.

What about this one. Database....

How do you pronounce that one? I hear data with a "short" a and a "long" a.

I always pronounce it with the "long" a. Like the character from Star Trek. Data.
And . . .

Does one continue to stick to tradition and treat the word as a plural, e.g.:
"These data are sufficient."

Or follow the crowd and treat it as singular?

Same for "media."

I really tend to notice this where I live, since I was born in Utah and then we moved around a bit until I was about... 9? I learned how to speak with different habits so it took me a while to get used to somethings here. The ones I notice and really seem to annoy me is the lazyness on the end of words and on t's here.

for example...

Here most people would not say the word mountain, moun-tin. they say it mow-in.

Or the word fight or others like that... they say it like figh or sigh(t) etc.

The few words that I have noticed they do say their t's on is states/countries and words that start with t's.

The other part is like the word funny, they may say it funneh... I got in the habit for a while... Its kinda fun to see if you do it too.

and just to keep with the origional topic I say it S Q L.

well it doesn't matter, imho.
a client recently asked/rqd me to determine the difference between Microsoft SQL Server Enterprise with the Standard version. incidentally, there is a MS produced CRM 'off-the-shelf' package that i don't recommend using, perhaps due to the fact that i have made a living from ms products/tools over the years and prefer customizable (...is that a word?).
ne way, i usually say 'see-kwell' server, or alternatively, preface this with Microsoft SQL Server. thx, trans. --- the client said by the way: "We have the stnd version on the server!". i just shrugged my shoulders and went about my way.

There actually three variants of 'data':

1) Day-ta
2) Da-ta
3) Dar-ta

I personally use 1 although I don't mind 2. 3 really annoys me.

where does dar-ta come from? some longer word?

I say Day-ta most of the time, unless its added to something like database... then I say da tuh base.

another I notice is distributions of linux. such as SuSE. I say it Soos I've heard it said Soosuh and S U S E... also Debain.

I think Dah-ta is mostly for snobs.

There actually three variants of 'data':

1) Day-ta
2) Da-ta
3) Dar-ta

I personally use 1 although I don't mind 2. 3 really annoys me.
You forgot #4 (the Southern variant here in the USA):

4) Day-ter (as in "Y'all got sum dayter on yer scrain?")

What about this one. Database....

How do you pronounce that one? I hear data with a "short" a and a "long" a.

I always pronounce it with the "long" a. Like the character from Star Trek. Data.
Remeber one of the early episodes of TNG someone was asking Data about is name "So is it DAta or data? What's the difference?" And he thinks about it for a second and says, very matter-of-factly, "One of them is my name. The other is not." I think he was one of the funniest characters on that show. I wonder how he would pronounce SQL? (I just had to throw a thread-realavance in there somewhere... ;) )

There actually three variants of 'data':

1) Day-ta
2) Da-ta
3) Dar-ta

I personally use 1 although I don't mind 2. 3 really annoys me.

I don't think I've ever heard #3. Where's that from?

Oh wait, yeah I've heard it - from down in the south. Something like this:
"I dun went and got yer darta prag-nant."
Is that what you ment? :p

You forgot #4 (the Southern variant here in the USA):

4) Day-ter (as in "Y'all got sum dayter on yer scrain?")


AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*wipes tears*


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH MY GOD! Don't do that to me! :chuckle:

I don't think I've ever heard #3. Where's that from?

Oh wait, yeah I've heard it - from down in the south. Something like this:
"I dun went and got yer darta prag-nant."
Is that what you ment? :p
No, the "getting your darta pregnant" is number 3. I meant da-ta as in the Russion word for yes (without the Russian accent obviously ;)).