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Old 11-13-2012, 03:03 PM
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So Sinofsky's out and Windows will be managed by a "team" effort:

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I don't see Monday's news as signifying any kind of change in short-term Windows product strategy. I'm not anticipating a return of the Start Button or a return of Silverlight. I'll be surprised if the new Windows regime, currently headed by engineering chief Julie Larson-Green and CFO/CMO Tammi Reller doesn't continue to follow the current preset course, with "Blue," the first Windows 8 successor, hitting by mid-2013, followed by Windows 9 by 2014 or so.
Sinofsky's departure from Microsoft: Politics or products to blame?

Windows 8 out now, "Blue" out next year, and Windows 9 in 2014?

Have they tied themselves to the U.S. cell phone market's 2-year-contract based churn cycle now or what?

It'll be interesting to see how often developers are forced to switch to new toolsets as "the churn turns."
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:56 PM
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This is a big announcement but is it a Sinofsky one-off announcement or a sign of a possible sea change at Microsoft?

Some quotes and links..

From here:
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..Sinofsky may well have picked the wrong fight.
His ability to ship quality products on time appears to have been trumped by the toxic environment he created.
In last month's profile, I quoted Charlie Kindel, a 21-year Microsoft veteran, who said Sinofsky made it harder for the Windows Phone division to work closely with the Windows group.

"It represents a silo-ed perspective," Kindel said. "It represents an us versus them perspective."

Warring groups, once a staple of the Microsoft culture, can't continue for the company to compete in consumer technology.
With Sinofsky's frequent battles with internal rivals, his departure was more a matter of when than if.
[Emphasis mine]

Charlie Kindle, of course as everyone knows, left to launch a startup, BizLogr, that's developing a business mileage tracking and logging service:
A few details can be found here.

In regard to the Kindel comment it might also be helpful to read:
Steven Sinofsky: Microsoft's controversial Mr. Windows 8

The CNET article, which mentions the "battling with Ballmer", also provides a link to the ill-fated project Microsoft Courier tablet did with the Pioneer Studios group (which Sinofsky had a hand in killing):
The inside story of how Microsoft killed its Courier tablet

Here is a link to the "One Strategy" book that came out what the article calls:
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..a collection of internal blog posts Sinofsky wrote after he joined the Windows team..
Here is a link to series of comical org chart cartoons.
The one for Microsoft has guns to represent the constant in fighting associated with bureaucratically brutalizing review process mentioned on page of the Lost Decade article.

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Sinofsky should've been expecting a large reward for his successes with Windows 8 -- the new design
that bridges the gap between tablet and PC, the coding core that's been propagated from smartphones to ARM to massive server farms and everywhere in between,
and the fact that he once again brought a mammoth, technically tricky, high-quality project in on time.
Given Sinofsky's apparent ambitions, it's entirely possible he was expecting to expand his empire significantly -- maybe even publicly start down the road toward the CEO's office.
Perhaps those expectations didn't materialize, or they weren't going to roll out as quickly as he felt they should.


With Julie Larson-Green (profile: here) taking over the technical reins in the Windows Division -- for both software and hardware -- and Tami Reller leading the marketing side of Windows, it's worth noting that neither has been given the title 'president'.
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Re: Windows Blue
I was wondering when someone would get around to mentioned Blue, though.
Most of flurry of notices came back in mid-August.

Next Version Of Windows To Be Called ‘Blue’ Instead Of Windows 9, Releasing Next Year?
Forget Windows 9, Windows Blue could be next, bringing updates as soon as next summer
Windows Next: Just call it 'Blue'?
Picture of the rumored Windows Blue logo

It's a lot better than the over-simplified Win 8 logo.
Here is a page with a bunch of the old logos going back to Windows 1.0 logo.

From Sept. 2012:
Microsoft splits Windows team in two, work being done on Windows 9 and Windows Blue

From Nov 12 2012:
Windows RT and 8 sales: Signs point to a major flop

The article does hedge a bit saying:
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I figure we won't really know how well Windows 8 is selling until we see statistics about the number of computers HP has sold this quarter.
Why HP?
The company has declared that for all new machines sold after October 26, 'Windows 7 will not be supported on these new platforms, and no drivers, apps, or Windows 7 content will be available through HP.'
Here's the TimeTech article with their more guarded success assessment criteria:
How to Tell If Windows 8 Is Succeeding

Personally I don't think the Sinofsky's departure is anyway tied with sales, or non-sales, of Windows 8, though.

I do see changes ahead for the the way Windows updates and service packs are rolled out in the future.
I'm surprised that Microsoft has adopted an "Azure push" model in that regard.

And since tablets and phones are designed to be connected at most times to the Internet there is nothing legal or particularly difficult from a technical standpoint to stop Microsoft from monitoring Microsoft Windows O/S use moment-to-moment for validation or for other tracking reasons.
Does everyone look forward to this?

I know everyone is excited to seeing Window 8 apps becoming an ad platform:
Microsoft's Big Hidden Windows 8 Feature: Built-In Advertising
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We can't talk about the inclusion of ads and not mention the 'T' word: tracking.
I haven't been able to find any information on whether or not Microsoft's tracking the ads you are clicking on, but if that is indeed the case,
we'll find out soon enough.

Unlike Windows 7 and earlier, your entire Windows 8 account can be tied to an e-mail account,
so it would be rather easy for Microsoft to track things on a personal level
much like how Google does with its search engine, e-mail and so forth.
Anyone wanting to buy ad space on Windows 8 desktop please sign up now..

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The "Blue" thing seems confusing because often where mentioned it is denied to be Win9, which is supposedly a release after Blue. Maybe Blue is Win8 SP1?

As far as tracking goes nothing prevents store-and-forward, so being connected all the time isn't a requirement. Indeed most desktops are assumed always connected now, and "semi connected" is the actual model for portable devices.

Store-and-forward is a normal model for connectivity on devices, and that goes back to the Pocket PC era. Pocket Jet synced with desktop Jet was pretty normal, as was MSMQ use. I assume in the Phone 7 era SQL Server Compact syncing was one of your options though I wouldn't know - the platform was too closed and consumer oriented for my customers and most things moved to Web instead.
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Hmm:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Next-...9-286452.shtml

So maybe "Blue" is Win8 SP1, but now you'll be charged for it as an "upgrade."
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:28 AM
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I don't know why the 2-year thing keeps surprising people. From what I remember, Microsoft's enterprise agreement has been "new OS every 2 years" since XP. Vista was an abnormally long development cycle. They've been sticking to that "new one every 2 years" pretty well since then, but now it's a surprise, even though the same people like to razz them for how long Vista took.

I think churn is unavoidable right now. Computing is changing very fast. The wearable computers that were cool sci-fi tech 10 years ago are currently sitting in our pockets. All I need is a bluetooth-connected display in my glasses. That's expensive, but not infeasible. For now, there's several pretty affordable wristwatches that do the trick. Apple's ready for this. Google's ready for this. Microsoft was not.

The other interesting change is seeing the enterprise become 2nd class. Churn is bad for enterprise. Microsoft's made a ton of money pandering to them. I smell an opportunity for some new upstart to cater to enterprises, and that's probably the only interesting thing that'll happen in the next 5-10 years on that front IMO.
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Microsoft, a software company, did very well for themselves in other peoples ecosystems before Windows came around. Expect an Android version of Office coming soon, especially as laptop hardware becomes more and more Android (touch) friendly.
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Today most Android platforms are too underpowered to run anything like Office. But you might be right anyway because of either or both of two things that are going on:

Office 365 or another hosted "cloud" option might move onto Android clients, and Android on x86 and x64 is also an option today which will help it move onto more powerful laptops and desktops. This might give you the hosted option on ARM portables and a local option on x86/x64.
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Today most Android platforms are too underpowered to run anything like Office.
I use Libre Office for almost all my "Office" work these days.
It is compatible with MS Office files and runs on Windows and most linux platforms.

Looks like it is being ported to Android
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Office for iOS and Android was announced last week, I believe.

I have low hopes for LibreOffice. All of the other attempts to make an Office product I've seen are shooting for "good enough" or "works the same" instead of "product you'd like to use instead of Office". I'm not sure what kind of innovation could exist in office software at this point, but I don't think we'll see a full-fledged product from anyone hoping to be an alternative rather than a replacement.
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What most of these sort of apps lack is a programming environment as powerful as VBA (If they have anything at all) So for businesses that customize spreadsheets I do not see anything that can actually replace office at this time.

If we are talking opening and editing a simple worksheet as most a tablet users would be doing then it really doesn't have to be better. Just compatible and a better price. In this case no charge.
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I thought all that was ever said by Microsoft was that a stripped down Mobile version of Office might be coming out next year, possibly before Summer. One recent link:

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-offic...rt-7000007044/


I had the idea that the LibreOffice/OpenOffice products had a VBA-like Basic language as well as Perl or something for scripting macros.

http://help.libreoffice.org/Basic/Us..._and_Functions
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On Windows, OpenOffice uses (or at least used to use) vbscript and javascript.
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Android really is the new Windows
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The figures don't lie: Android not only has almost three-quarters of global mobile device sales, but it's outselling PCs too. So the Linux-based OS is the new Windows, not only due to its ubiquity, but because it represents a key aspect of Windows that Microsoft is throwing away: openness.
Interesting take on things. Five years ago I would have bet that Microsoft was so entrenched and had so much momentum that everything else would fade to small minority status. The rise of Apple even pre-iPhone should have been an indication that this isn't the same company it used to be.
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I think Dave Winer had an interesting perspective though he was talking about Twitter:
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[...] Why does the company need to hire all those people to work for money and stock when the developers are willing to do it for love? When you have the answer, you'll understand why Microsoft has shipped so many new versions of Windows over the last ten years, when the market was perfectly happy with the version they produced ten years ago.

Spoiler: All those employees make decisions that tend to keep them employed. That's how small innovative companies become big incumbent ones.
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More speculation in the information vacuum, due to Microsoft sharing plans only with high-ticket partners:

Windows Blue: How it could reinvent Windows (or sink Windows 8)

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"I don’t think developers are ever fans of big shifts in their platform—but so much of it depends on how much the APIs underneath forcibly change, and how much the tools help them navigate or migrate through those changes," Miller continues.

"If Microsoft keeps the SDK stocked with similar languages, it shouldn't cause too much ire," Moorhead says. However, he cautions that the possible specter of yet another new SDK looming so shortly after the release of the Windows 8 SDK could convince hesitant developers to sit on the sidelines until more details emerge—especially since Microsoft will allegedly stop accepting apps programmed for Windows 8 alone when it releases Windows Blue's SDK.
Ouch. So if this projection based on slim leaks about next year's Blue release are true Metro/Modern developers are back at square one?

But "keeps the SDK stocked with similar languages" sounds like a clueless non-developer talking.


It seems like a lot of "speculation squared" to me. About all that is even semi-solid is that Blue comes out in 2013 and "Windows 9" comes out in 2014. Specifics regarding actual changes don't seem to have any authoritative sources.

Aside from a faster upgrade cycle with more incremental changes coming more frequently there may not be much here at all besides FUD.
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