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Old 12-07-2015, 05:21 PM
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I've been setting up that Win 7 Ultimate box all day. Acceptible at 4K with a Radeon R9 270 for basic application chores (plays the 12GB Tears of Steel movie at 20-30% CPU utilization). Uploaded PassMark ratings. I need to start playing with boot to vhd (otherwise not sure what good Ultimate is over Professional).

Regarding Win 10, apparently I'm a Grinch:
He needs to come to my house to and remove the original admin account created on 8.1 before the upgrade (as it was my mothers's PC, so I created another admin for myself before I realized she couldn't learn to use it). That account can no longer be managed through user accounts (it is really not there!), yet it tries to auto-login to that old account every reboot and states the credentials are not valid. I know the credentials, and could login to see whether I can self-terminate...

Additionally, when I try to log in to a Kids account that I set up, it says 'Logging off' before even asking for credentials, and throws me back to the login screen.

Oh, 'Users' and 'Groups' are no longer under Administrative Tools (since 8.1).

Pretty slap-stick behavior, in my opinion. Must have something to do with Microsoft accounts, which I could turn off again.

I'll likely figure it out on my own, but it is low priority right now and does not keep me (or my kids, once I log them into my account) from using the computer.

The words this 'Grinch' has are 'Cluttered' and 'Clunky', but 'Usable'.
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Old 12-08-2015, 01:21 AM
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Well until enough people simply go elsewhere another word is probably "inevitable."

Apparently Microsoft hasn't seen enough failure yet to get them to reverse their current direction. Start by admidding defeat in mobile, continue by admitting defeat in making the desktop look like mobile, close the Store entirely and rip out the Metro/WinRT cruft.

But then I'd even go further and rip out tons of .Net crap that began being added back in Vista. Far too many control panel applets and other things used to administer a machine are written in "damaged code."


This must be especially galling to those at Microsoft who worked so hard on the real OS improvements since Win7. They certainly exist, but they're masked by the WinRT garbage pile that's been dumped on top.
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Old 12-08-2015, 04:05 PM
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[rant]If it were my decision to make, I'd acknowledge that this whole debate is really about skinning/appearances, rather than a debate about what goes on behind the scenes (as long as it is well-behaved). That relates to my mention in passing of booting to VHDs in Windows 7 Ultimate... for all I care (in most usage scenarios) the 'skin' could be XP or Linux. I'll skin to Windows 10 for Cortana, DX12, etc., when necessary. What a shame that the concept of nearly-seamless implementation of XP Mode for Win 7 wasn't carried forward to include a licensed virtual Win 7 and XP (and Linux?) modes under Win 10 Pro (and/or Enterprise). Perhaps in 11... That would wet my appetite until a proper 3D work space version of Windows is (eventually) released... but that still doesn't imply that I want to throw away all of my old applications or knowledge, but I am willing to build on what I have and know in pursuit of a better way.[/rant]
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Old 12-08-2015, 05:28 PM
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You have an awful lot packed into one rant there.

Care to pick one of them and describe it more fully?

Or is the entire thing really about something like a kernel+services OS that can run more than one "stack" on top of it (from APIs on up through user shells)? Something in the Hyper-V/App-V/MED-V spectrum?
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:44 PM
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Hyper-V, etc. is nearly the right direction. However, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic... which doesn't describe where we are now. XP Mode under Windows 7 was close as a singular example of near-seamless integration, but didn't install itself and was not without issues. I would like to see fewer hypervisors/emulators, or to be more succinct, I don't necessarily want to notice them, install them, or maintain them. Sure, today I can VNC, RDP, Teamview, Bomgar, etc. into any number of physical devices to get a similar effect as I'm looking for, but that is cumbersome and a waste of hardware that is already sitting on a waste heap of unused CPU cycles.
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Old 12-15-2015, 08:27 AM
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... oh for the simplicity of the legacy 16-bit support with WOW. I worry that in 10 years, support of my 32-bit apps will be similarly deprecated/eliminated. Perhaps Microsoft should work with Intel/AMD at that point to make sure the hardware layer becomes 64(/128)-bit capable only, so my lamenting will be just so much idle talk. Hopefully, by that time virtualization/emulation should be mature enough to mitigate any (of my) concerns over platform integration.
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Old 12-15-2015, 10:18 AM
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They are already seeing diminishing returns for 64-bit, so I doubt we'll see 128-bit used except for special purpose processors for quite a long time. As it is most of VS is still 32-bit, for solid reasons. 64-bit MS Office really only exists for marketing reasons.

For that matter 64-bit desktop PCs only exist to help keep hardware profit margins high. While you can find niche applications that can benefit from 64-bit there are darned few that consumers and typical business users will ever see except perhaps multimedia transcoding.


So yes, enough suckers bought into 64-bit on the desktop that the market realities mean we all have to eat pablum too. That's just the reality of the consumer goods market: if you don't follow the herd you starve.

But there probably isn't any reason to panic that WOW64 will go away anytime soon, unlike the 16-bit WOWEXEC.
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Old 12-16-2015, 07:50 AM
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Oh, 'Users' and 'Groups' are no longer under Administrative Tools (since 8.1).
My bad... since I don't normally use Home editions, I forgot that is an advanced feature only available to Pro+ users (or from Safe Mode in Home... which I haven't booted into under 10 to see if it is still available).

I managed to gut the accounts that didn't work and flipped that Windows 10 PC back to my mother (who is almost 80). Eventually got it to boot to desktop, so she can use it. She loves the old-school Hoyle Cards and Board Games (who doesn't!). She likes the similar Apps from the store, but I turned that off to avoid the presumed occasional login interference that prevented her from using 8.1. I still need to manage settings for restricting data usage to keep Windows updates, etc. from eating up the 2GB she shares with my wife on the same account.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:36 PM
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Microsoft Makes Windows 10 'Free Upgrades' Worse

Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped
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Old 12-17-2015, 07:25 AM
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Sounds like there is a (perhaps substantial) market for targeted software/hardware to manage this issue. Get to work...

From a corporate standpoint, we'll probably have to specify the Enterprise version for our customers in an attempt to avoid issues with mission critical equipment (related to perceived security risk and to our software operation, which sometimes has issues with external equipment hardware buffer overflow when connected to an under-par or over-managed PC). Also, some of our customers are required to account for every IP packet that leaves the PC (but are likely using Enterprise versions of Windows already).
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Intel CPUs after Skylake will only be supported by Windows 10, as no 7/8 support patch will be made available (for currently-supported non-10 OSes): Microsoft Limits Support For Upcoming Processors To Windows 10

Given that 2 of my 3 PCs have CPUs not supported by 10 (and 1 of those is not supported by 8.1, but fine on 8.0), this is no real surprise to me.

Opinions on this and other contentious aspects of Windows 10 aside, I'm still exited about support for various new tech in 10: 7 new hardware technologies you'll see in Windows 10 PCs | PCWorld

In any case, to get a PC with the OS as responsive as Windows XP was on an old-school Pentium-D, using a Solid State Drive (SSD) for the OS is a must.
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Most of that article sounds like BS. Everything "new" there could easily be done on earlier versions of Windows by adding drivers and applications. But I won't argue the point, even USB could be a pain as a add-on back in Win95/98 days.

Hard to believe people are still drinking the SSD kool-aid in 2016. Data centers are abandoning it as expensive and failure prone. XP doesn't even know how to use SSDs properly, magnifying the hazard many times. 2012 brought us SSDs Have Bleak Future, Says Researchers and things have gotten scarier as the years wore on. I don't expect anyone to be convinced by the facts though, indisputable as they are.

Microsoft has no disincentive to forcing Windows as a Metro Platform on the market. Unless an alternative comes along they'll continue on this course. Linux doesn't count, Mac is stuck in its niche, and ChromeOS has limited range by design. Only desktop Android might be a contender, and Google seems interested in hobbling that at every turn.
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Well, at least microsoft is giving up on forcing win 10
on 7 - 8 and 8.1 users. I think i read that on their
next windows update, they were going to remove that
win 10 upgrade icon from all 7, 8 and 8.1 users.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:42 PM
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Now you are really dreaming. All I have seen is that they have published a how-to on blocking the current update prompt. The mechanism used is specific to one "upgrade now campaign" and a new patch could resume prompting again any time down the road.

Block the Windows 10 upgrade using these steps from Microsoft
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Old 01-20-2016, 07:27 AM
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With regard to SSDs for the consumer market, wear-leveling implementations have finally progressed to the point where they are reliable enough. Coupled with treating the (marketed-as) new technology called 'psuedo-SLC' of filling MLC/TLC's cells with error-correctable data representing 1-bit will (so they say) improve reliability by up to a factor of 7 (and hopefully at less than 3x the cost).

I've been witness to the fiasco of certain low-quality traditional mechanical drives failing prematurely... it isn't pretty (and if I had it my way, would be considered criminal negligence).
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:19 AM
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The real bad guy on he block are these cheapie eMMC drives. Basically just a plain old flash drive with a different hardware interface.

Tons of low-end Windows 10 machines (among others like tablets and phones) use these as system drives. Usually you can't even downgrade these to Windows 7 if you wanted to, they don't show up as a drive at all during installation (or after!) using anything prior to Windows 8.1 or so, maybe Windows 8.
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I have no thoughts of upgrading to Windows 10 anytime soon. But I checked out what it has to offer and it looks nice but I still don't feel like upgrading.

Should I upgrade to Windows 10? Is Windows 10 better than Windows 7 or 8.1? The pros and cons of upgrading
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I'm currently using Windows 8.1 and I've heard about Windows 10 security issues as well. For now, I think I'll stick to what I have until such time as I find Windows 10 more appealing.
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I can't imagine any reason to stay on Windows 8.1 if you computer supports Windows 10 and you can live with pos-Win7 at all. But at least the choice is yours until the price goes up.
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:55 AM
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But at least the choice is yours until the price goes up.
Not entirely true now... be aware!:
Microsoft Auto-Scheduling Windows 10 Updates
The collective conscious seems to agree that trust and privacy are important, thus can affect the market as a whole, so shouldn't be taken lightly:
Weak Internet Privacy Chills Economic Activity, Says NTIA Study
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