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Old 08-06-2015, 09:52 AM
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As Windows 10 is out for a little while now, I was curious if the folks here were planning on updating to it anytime soon. It would be interesting from a personal PC user at home vs. a business PC user at work (or school) perspective on what is there motive.

I know at work we are still trying to get Windows 7 to all locations (thousands) after finally getting all applications to be fully compatible. So, the chances of upgrading to 10 anytime 'soon' is slim to none. Not that I have any sort of influence in this particular matter anyway..

As for my home PCs, I'm still on the fence at the moment. While I certainly won't upgrade until they have a major patch, I'm not sure if I will ever will. There are quite a few websites out there mentioning the new privacy concerns that come with Win 10. Some of which the user has no option of even turning off. Is this the true price of a 'free' upgrade? In addition, I don't really see any announced features that is making me go 'wow, I need that' in comparison to what I currently have on my Win 8/8.1 PCs. I'm finding over time I'm starting to be less motivated to upgrade to the latest and greatest Windows system.

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Old 08-08-2015, 11:19 AM
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I don't think that i will ever upgrade to windows 10. From what i am
reading about it, it is still a beta OS and there are a ton of errors in it.

Not only that but the whole OS is being used as spyware, to collect
every bit of your information and send it to who knows where. Most
likely the information will be sent to the government. They already
collect all your cellphone data.

Is something given to you for free, really free?
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Old 08-09-2015, 12:54 AM
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I'm contented with my Windows 7
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Old 08-09-2015, 09:53 AM
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I have 3 computers that I've registered for getting Windows 10:

1. HTPC running Win 7 without enough free drive space to upgrade. Pointless upgrade for a HTPC. The update for Windows Update (reminding me to Get Windows 10) broke this PC because it has 2 GB RAM (causing netsvcs to eat all memory). I had to identify the cause of the problem and install the MS hotfix myself (using option 2, since option 1 did not work).

2. Mini-desktop Win 8.1 with an Intel J2900 CPU (Quad core @ 10 Watts!). Would like to upgrade, but as of a few days ago upgrade is not ready for my system (perhaps due to odd CPU).

3. Old workstation with 2x Paxville 2.8GHz dual-core Xeon CPUs running Win 7. Cannot upgrade, presumably because CPU is missing the (originally AMD only) PrefetchW cache-load hint instruction (since all listed requirements are met) that prevented me from upgrading from Win 8.0 (which worked fine) to Win 8.1. An exception could be patched back in (which is kind of funny since these Xeons already have a reasonably large cache that seldom starves the pipelines) if Microsoft chose to do so, and I understand some older Intel CPUs (a few months newer than mine) actually fake the execution/support of that instruction anyway. This sent me back to Win 7 (since 8.0 support dropped). Now I am stuck with the Get Windows 10 'CPU Not Supported' when I click the system tray icon. Microsoft has graciously let their customers know how to hide this icon, but removing it requires 3rd party support.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:17 PM
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Not only that but the whole OS is being used as spyware, to collect
every bit of your information and send it to who knows where. Most
likely the information will be sent to the government. They already
collect all your cellphone data.
To my understanding at least one has the ability to change (e.g. disable) most of the settings. But then there are some settings that you can't, or can only for a short time period. Referring to the following diagram that someone else forwarded my way:
https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg

How much of this is just FUD? I'm not so sure without more first hand experience of tracking what is actually being sent throughout the network connection with Win 10.
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Personally I have been running the preview versions for quite a while and updated to the release as soon as it was available. I have had no problems with it and generally find it faster and more stable than previous versions.

The UI is what Windows 8 should have been and is far more familiar to anyone who preferred a start menu.
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The UI is what Windows 8 should have been and is far more familiar to anyone who preferred a start menu.
That was my plan for my #2 system so I can (possibly) flip it back over to my mother (who is currently back on her old XP system, but using a new monitor), as she couldn't quite get a handle on Windows 8.1.

I double-checked yesterday, and alas, Win 10 is still not ready for that Intel J2900 CPU system. I hope MS gets that finished soon, as I really don't want the PC for myself (except possibly for use as a second HTPC, if necessary, but it does not support the 4K resolution I would need).

It is interesting that the CPU performance is roughly on par with my dual Xeon system, but with 27x less maximum CPU power consumption. Unfortunately, the J2900 system has no room for GPU expansion, and therefore pales to the GPU in my Xeon system. Perhaps the move to Win 10's DirectX 12 will close the gap a bit: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/2...d-dont-deliver

I'll have a Xeon W3690 system next month that already has Win 7 Ultimate, but I'll have to consider carefully before bringing it up to Win 10.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:54 AM
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I'm not sure it hurts to give it time.

Lot of bug fixes to be rolled out, and then you have the rapid mutation factor in Windows 10 where radical feature changes will roll out as updates. We could see the entire "Metro tiles" and WinRT completely disappear and get the real Start Menu back instead of this faux one.

Free upgrades for a year right? So you can always wait 9 months or so then reconsider.
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Free upgrades for a year right?
Yea, it is supposed to be 1 year.

I suppose another potential reason to eventually upgrade is when a particular past release reaches end of support. However, there may be those that feel comfortable with still using the older release and no longer getting Microsoft support too (e.g. cost of upgrading > cost of staying same). Refer to the following Microsoft site for those end of support dates:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:36 PM
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A downside to staying on an unsupported release is the lack of security patches. Bad enough in the past, the dirtbags have raised the intensity of their game and have also learned to target unsupported releases because once a hole is discovered it will be there forever.

Windows XP is currently a prime target, and "unsafe at any speed."
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How much of this is just FUD?
Since the false perceptions have gotten outside of Microsoft's comfort zone, here is more FUD for thought:
No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10 | ZDNet
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Since the false perceptions have gotten outside of Microsoft's comfort zone, here is more FUD for thought:
No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10 | ZDNet
You guys gotta know that this is a lie.
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Regardless of Mr. Bott's (and Microsoft's) stance on spying, he seems to have a pretty good take on most everything else that is 10:
Windows 10 after one month: Hits and misses | ZDNet

... except he missed that the Xbox App DVR feature can cause lag/stuttering with some PC games (e.g. Starcraft 2) until you figure out you need to (and how to) disable/uninstall it.
Edit: In addition I find someone had to reinstall Photoshop after upgrade when they found it wouldn't launch. Same person found Realtek Audio sounds seem obviously compressed (but that setting is Off).
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Last week came the warning, now comes the roll out. The most criticised aspect of Windows 10 is coming to Windows 7 and Windows 8 after Microsoft released upgrades which enable the company to extensively track what users are doing. The releases bring good and bad news…
Windows 10 Worst Feature Now Installing On Windows 7 And Windows 8

We need people out there to find ways of blocking MS from stealing
any data from our electronic devices.
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Telemetry tracking is a different thing from "stealing any data", plus as the article in question points out the updates don't need to be installed and one of them is only applicable if you have already opted in to one of the improvement programs which explicitly involves giving your consent to this kind of tracking.
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Telemetry has been a sticky subject with me for quite a while. My perception is that it is just another obstacle getting in the way of a smooth Windows experience, as some of our logged stutter issues correlate to AE/CEIP (Application Experience/Customer Experience Improvement Program) activity from the Task Scheduler History log (once enabled). It seems that the telemetry data is being gathered (sometimes obtrusively), even when NOT opted-in (though the data is not sent). There further seems to be a positive correlation with (our) application stability improvements when the AE/CEIP telemetry tasks have been disabled.

Windows, since Vista, is not a NRTOS (Near Real-Time Operating System). But, it (normally) can be hammered into shape. We'll have to see how the new soft-pushed telemetry updates play out.
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Update on my 3 systems (will have 4th in a few weeks, a dual Hexacore Xeon on Win 7 Ultimate):

Win 7 Pro Workstation: 2x Dual Core Xeon CPUs still not compatible with Windows 10. Removed GWX Update KB3035583.

Win 7 Home HTPC: AMD 450 APU (4 year old design) now says CPU not compatible with Windows 10. Will continue to monitor to see if the status changes. Still happy with Win 7 Home for this HTPC.

Win 8.1 Home SFF PC: Intel J2900 10W Quad Core... Finally (after 5 months) just got notice that Windows 10 Home is ready and installed it. Works as expected. However, after the system did its final reboot I had to unplug the Microsoft USB mouse and plug it back in to be able to (see pointer to) click for first login. I need a better microphone so Cortana is happy.

I understand that the Realtek Audio issue that I mentioned before had gotten patched in Windows 10 a few months ago.
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Just received a cheapo Acer Win10 box to see how the "real" (released) Win10 looks on a preinstalled OEM box, especially since the last few months' mutation.

Almost the first thing was Windows Update pushing a major mutation via Windows Update (Threshold 2?), don't recall the build number since they seem to be advancing like the spinning altimeter of a nose diving plane in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

This is almost as big a change as WinXP SP 2 was, so basically this isn't Win10 anymore (not that "Windows 10" means anything anyway). Sure enough they have moved the deck chairs around again so finding anything is a sort of twisted version of Where's Waldo crossed with Wumpus Hunt.

They issued this a few weeks back and recalled it, and then later reissued it again. So far no hardware compatibility issues but this little box was designed for the Threshold/Redstone/Treadstone era of Windows so I didn't expect any. I see some who have gone the update and insider routes haven't fared as well:

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However, I have been met with a lot of disappointment. For the first time in a long time I considered seeing how far I could throw a laptop, if I were to be completely honest.
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My cheapo J2900 CPU box is an Acer. Since upgrade to 10 it dropped my network adapter from Device Manager once and I had to reboot to get it back. I've never seen an integrated device disappear like that (yet find it hard to believe the OS could be at fault). If it happens again I'll consider rolling it back to 8.1 (or throw it across the room, as the case may be).

Under 8.1 and even worse in 10: I wonder if it is just me, but I cannot find anything useful (to me) in the tiled configuration screens. I have to type in (search) the things I want because there is no icon to click on (that I can find, e.g. Control Panel, etc.). I must be too dumb to use modern operating systems. On the plus side, the less initiated will be unlikely to mess things up (or learn from the mistakes they won't be making).

Just got the Win 7 Ultimate Xeon system... only a single hexacore (not a dual, not sure what I was thinking), but fast. Recognized my UHD TV instantly and I logged into a 4K@30Hz desktop. Not a chance I'm downgrading 7 Ultimate to Win 10 anytime soon (unless I develop a Cortana fetish).
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Just be very darned sure you download "standalone" packages for anything your ever expect to need for Windows 7 as soon as possible.

Some Win7 things are already being deleted from MS Downloads. And anyone using Vista is really screwed even though they supposedly have nearly 18 months of extended support yet! Tons of Vista stuff is already gone.


Despite all of the spin they desperately keep sending out as press releases nobody really cares for the direction post-Win7. Aside from an early gush of fanatics updating to Win10 last Summer nobody else is biting this bullet except those who need to buy new hardware and are being given no choice but Win10.

But they won't pull out of their dive... they're being stubborn and at this point seem intent on corkscrewing the whole company into the ground.

I see they have their paid shills out in full force:

Don't let the 'Grinches' put you off Windows 10
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